Jeremy Laura: Detroit Glass Works - the “Culite” crew

- gergeswillems

My man!!!

Wonder if Regula is doing better in the Hawks system. They did give him an ELC last year. Wished we still had him, as Perlini was a bust.

Wonder if Regula is doing better in the Hawks system. They did give him an ELC last year. Wished we still had him, as Perlini was a bust.
- HenryHockey

Yeah that one didn't work out. Win some lose some.

Yeah that one didn't work out. Win some lose some.
- gergeswillems

We got the better end of the Fabbri deal. Still need defense, but what do you do...

We got the better end of the Fabbri deal. Still need defense, but what do you do...
- Jeremy Laura

Yeah Fabbri was a steal. Blues seem to like JDR. They re-signed him. Yzerman isn't going to win every trade. Regula hasn't made the NHL yet.

Unfortunately Perlini never panned out. Yzerman took a calculated gamble. No GM hits home runs all the time.

I mean Yzerman did get 2 second round picks for Athanasiou so it's not like the Perlini miss affected him.

Yeah Fabbri was a steal. Blues seem to like JDR. They re-signed him. Yzerman isn't going to win every trade. Regula hasn't made the NHL yet.

Unfortunately Perlini never panned out. Yzerman took a calculated gamble. No GM hits home runs all the time.

I mean Yzerman did get 2 second round picks for Athanasiou so it's not like the Perlini miss affected him.
- gergeswillems

Amen on AA. My understanding is any offers are around 1.5 mil or less. I think Duclair is in a similar situation, and i would put a touch more value on Duclair. I can only guess that there will be a good chunk of PTO or $1mil deals right before camps

Amen on AA. My understanding is any offers are around 1.5 mil or less. I think Duclair is in a similar situation, and i would put a touch more value on Duclair. I can only guess that there will be a good chunk of PTO or $1mil deals right before camps
- Jeremy Laura

AA would be good on Buffalo, but yeah, 1 x $1.5M

AA would be good on Buffalo, but yeah, 1 x $1.5M
- HenryHockey

Absolutely. I want the best for these guys, but at some point you need to accept your “perceived” value. Earn yourself a raise by playing your heart out

We need strong left side D

Hopefully Wings can draft Owen Power to fix that.

Hopefully Wings can draft Owen Power to fix that.
- dcz28

Yes. And this must be his goal song at LCA...

https://youtu.be/44GqaZvEgq4

Hopefully Wings can draft Owen Power to fix that.
- dcz28

As long as he’s drafted 4th or later..

As long as he’s drafted 4th or later..
- Jeremy Laura

Maybe they will pick 20th next year!

Yes. And this must be his goal song at LCA...

https://youtu.be/44GqaZvEgq4
- gergeswillems

That would fit.

Maybe they will pick 20th next year!

- HenryHockey

https://youtu.be/U-doE5gvU20

As long as he’s drafted 4th or later..
- Jeremy Laura

Well i would think Clarke is likely the 1st dman taken and he's a RHD. LHDs you have Power, Lambos and Hughes that likely could go in the top 10. Hard to say with rankings right now since mostly only Euro players are playing.

I do hope the Wings save the lottery win for 2022 and Shane Wright.

Great off-season article that certainly spurs some thoughts from your followers!

It is interesting to watch how some of these prospects trend and how their perceived value can fluctuate at times. Veleno is a perfect example. To be granted exceptional status to the CHL (the first ever into the QMJHL) is obviously a rare feat that is expected to lead to stardom and incredibly lofty NHL draft status. That didn't quite happen with him sliding down to the Wings at number 30. His stock then rose significantly again with a huge D plus 1 year and the World Juniors but slipped again with some modest stats with Grand Rapids. Considering his age in his first professional season and the fact that he was playing against men, maybe those stats should be viewed a bit more favorably though. However, once again, he appears to be off to a slow start stats-wise overseas. At this point I am having a hard time determining what his ceiling might be. Is he a top six forward with PP potential as his draft status would cause us to hope for? Or will he slot in as a highly-effective, two-way third line center? To be honest, I believe the third line center role is often taken for granted in today's NHL as coaches can gameplan against their opponents' top players but outplaying their third line can often be the difference between wins and losses. So either way, I believe he projects to be an incredibly valuable piece of the puzzle.

Seider appears to be a player that continues to trend upwards. I think we were all encouraged by what we saw last year but the fact that he is putting up strong offensive numbers right now in one of the top Euro leagues really has us salivating about what he might look like on Detroit's top pairing for the next decade or so.

Svechnikov and McIsaac are two prospects whose stock has trended downwards, but as you mentioned in your blog, both still have the ability to outwork the masses and begin to realize some of their potential.

At the very least, I think we are all enjoying watching Yzerman stock the cupboards with prospects and I am encouraged by the culture/learning environment he is creating for the journey that lies ahead. Some will overachieve, some will underachieve and I think as diehard Wings fans, we must continue to enjoy watching this process unfold.

The end result of this rebuild will certainly be a treat for all of us but appreciating the incremental growth that is taking place each day and with each passing deal is something that we have been starved for as a fan base and we cannot take for granted.

Great off-season article that certainly spurs some thoughts from your followers!

It is interesting to watch how some of these prospects trend and how their perceived value can fluctuate at times. Veleno is a perfect example. To be granted exceptional status to the CHL (the first ever into the QMJHL) is obviously a rare feat that is expected to lead to stardom and incredibly lofty NHL draft status. That didn't quite happen with him sliding down to the Wings at number 30. His stock then rose significantly again with a huge D plus 1 year and the World Juniors but slipped again with some modest stats with Grand Rapids. Considering his age in his first professional season and the fact that he was playing against men, maybe those stats should be viewed a bit more favorably though. However, once again, he appears to be off to a slow start stats-wise overseas. At this point I am having a hard time determining what his ceiling might be. Is he a top six forward with PP potential as his draft status would cause us to hope for? Or will he slot in as a highly-effective, two-way third line center? To be honest, I believe the third line center role is often taken for granted in today's NHL as coaches can gameplan against their opponents' top players but outplaying their third line can often be the difference between wins and losses. So either way, I believe he projects to be an incredibly valuable piece of the puzzle.

Seider appears to be a player that continues to trend upwards. I think we were all encouraged by what we saw last year but the fact that he is putting up strong offensive numbers right now in one of the top Euro leagues really has us salivating about what he might look like on Detroit's top pairing for the next decade or so.

Svechnikov and McIsaac are two prospects whose stock has trended downwards, but as you mentioned in your blog, both still have the ability to outwork the masses and begin to realize some of their potential.

At the very least, I think we are all enjoying watching Yzerman stock the cupboards with prospects and I am encouraged by the culture/learning environment he is creating for the journey that lies ahead. Some will overachieve, some will underachieve and I think as diehard Wings fans, we must continue to enjoy watching this process unfold.

The end result of this rebuild will certainly be a treat for all of us but appreciating the incremental growth that is taking place each day and with each passing deal is something that we have been starved for as a fan base and we cannot take for granted.
- Diller

You're talking about players Ken Holland drafted. Not Yzerman. So if he doesn't see them progressing he won't hesitate to move on from them. This future Red Wings core will be built with players Yzerman drafts or acquires. Or has already drafted. Guys like Seider, Tuomisto and Raymond.

If any Ken Holland players are good enough to stick around then they will. But it'll be mostly Yzerman guys. Larkin, Mantha and Bertuzzi will all be finishing their prime years by the time the Red Wings are relevant again. We still don't know what Zadina will be. Hronek looks like he could be part of a future core. I'm still hopeful for Berggren.

Great off-season article that certainly spurs some thoughts from your followers!

It is interesting to watch how some of these prospects trend and how their perceived value can fluctuate at times. Veleno is a perfect example. To be granted exceptional status to the CHL (the first ever into the QMJHL) is obviously a rare feat that is expected to lead to stardom and incredibly lofty NHL draft status. That didn't quite happen with him sliding down to the Wings at number 30. His stock then rose significantly again with a huge D plus 1 year and the World Juniors but slipped again with some modest stats with Grand Rapids. Considering his age in his first professional season and the fact that he was playing against men, maybe those stats should be viewed a bit more favorably though. However, once again, he appears to be off to a slow start stats-wise overseas. At this point I am having a hard time determining what his ceiling might be. Is he a top six forward with PP potential as his draft status would cause us to hope for? Or will he slot in as a highly-effective, two-way third line center? To be honest, I believe the third line center role is often taken for granted in today's NHL as coaches can gameplan against their opponents' top players but outplaying their third line can often be the difference between wins and losses. So either way, I believe he projects to be an incredibly valuable piece of the puzzle.

Seider appears to be a player that continues to trend upwards. I think we were all encouraged by what we saw last year but the fact that he is putting up strong offensive numbers right now in one of the top Euro leagues really has us salivating about what he might look like on Detroit's top pairing for the next decade or so.

Svechnikov and McIsaac are two prospects whose stock has trended downwards, but as you mentioned in your blog, both still have the ability to outwork the masses and begin to realize some of their potential.

At the very least, I think we are all enjoying watching Yzerman stock the cupboards with prospects and I am encouraged by the culture/learning environment he is creating for the journey that lies ahead. Some will overachieve, some will underachieve and I think as diehard Wings fans, we must continue to enjoy watching this process unfold.

The end result of this rebuild will certainly be a treat for all of us but appreciating the incremental growth that is taking place each day and with each passing deal is something that we have been starved for as a fan base and we cannot take for granted.
- Diller

Thanks for that! I do think Veleno will at least slot to a highly effective third line center. You’re right, it is taken for granted but, especially come post season, the third line can be the deal breaker. Top two lines try to cancel each other out. Jordan Staal is one of my all time favorite 3rd line centers when in Pitt. Yep, he had the ability to slot up, but his placement gave him ice time against lower pairing D and 3rd/4th line players that couldn’t handle him. Helm, in his heyday, had speed to burn and was important on those own zone faceoffs and PK. A better set of hands would have done some impressive damage on all those breakaways! Kris Draper, another speedster that was important on the PK and could slide up when needed. Veleno has wheels, he’s a smart kid. The frustration of the lack of space in the AHL and NHL can play games with your confidence. Honestly, I would have sports therapy for all prospects available. The time off is when you reprogram using information from past success or failures. As a guitarist/pianist, I used to be “practice constantly until it’s perfect”. What would happen was burnout. I’ll play/practice and if there’s something I can’t get, i move on. Hours later an idea will hit me and I’ll go back and figure it out. Headspace is so important.

I worry Detroit lost good prospects because it was “sink or swim”. Jiri Fischer now checks in with prospects all year long. Calls, asks about personal and professional stuff. He is, quietly, the best asset Detroit has in development. He doesn’t sugar coat anything. He tells the kids, “if you want a job, you have to take it from someone else. And once you get it, someone else is going to try and take it from you”. That is the best advice you can give. His career was cut tragically short, and his recovery was amazing. He doesn’t get nearly enough praise for how hard he works to get the most out of players.

You're talking about players Ken Holland drafted. Not Yzerman. So if he doesn't see them progressing he won't hesitate to move on from them. This future Red Wings core will be built with players Yzerman drafts or acquires. Or has already drafted. Guys like Seider, Tuomisto and Raymond.

If any Ken Holland players are good enough to stick around then they will. But it'll be mostly Yzerman guys. Larkin, Mantha and Bertuzzi will all be finishing their prime years by the time the Red Wings are relevant again. We still don't know what Zadina will be. Hronek looks like he could be part of a future core. I'm still hopeful for Berggren.
- gergeswillems

Zadina found his ice at a young age, and that’s impressive. Tatar/Nyquist were around 23 when they were just getting NHL chances. Different system now. Hronek, what a find. I think having Larkin/Mantha/Bert possibly slotting down when things are going good would be such a boon. Yzerman’s best years as a leader were not his best years for “numbers”. Played on one leg and inspired the crap out of the troops. Berggren, to me, has quietly pulled ahead of the prospect line. I think him being overseas without the constant buzz of Griffins/Red Wings fans let him focus. Even in GR these kids are celebrities. It’s awesome, but it’s not easy. Sometimes you find yourself driving drunk, dressed like a tele tubby and using your best friend’s license. Life is funny that way.

Update - Mantha signs 4 yr deal 5.7/AAV. Lower than Larkin, I’m happy. Are you?

Interesting - Ryan Strome’s ask to NYR is 5.7 (theirs is 3.6) for arbitration. 4.5 is the threshold. I don’t think NYR would walk at that number, but they’d have to make some shifts.

Great point about the Holland holdovers.... and anything that Yzerman values from those times that will be part of the plan moving forward is gravy. I definitely feel that some of those pieces will be helpful, there just aren't enough of them.

And great reference to the past.... it's not a great reflection on your drafting and development program when your first rounder makes more headlines as a drunken Tinkie Winkie than as a centerman!

Great point about the Holland holdovers.... and anything that Yzerman values from those times that will be part of the plan moving forward is gravy. I definitely feel that some of those pieces will be helpful, there just aren't enough of them.

And great reference to the past.... it's not a great reflection on your drafting and development program when your first rounder makes more headlines as a drunken Tinkie Winkie than as a centerman!
- Diller

I feel bad for him, that is just brutal to have to re live. But, it’s also hilarious. If you’re going to be imparted and using someone else’s license, please for the love of God, dress like Han Solo or Jason Voorhies.